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We all have phrases that make us cringe: tongues duelling for dominance, weeping cocks, sweet spot etc.

Consider the pleasure/pain. It certainly makes me cringe because I see it as a cop out for description of sensation (IMO before anyone flames). Does it exist? Is it the moment that pain is overtaken by pleasure when the wonder gland, aka the prostate, is hit?

Thinky thoughts or enlightenments please.

Date: 2012-05-26 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-rowan.livejournal.com
It means that the writer isn't willing to take the time to figure out how to express a complex sensation. Sheer authorial turpitude.

Date: 2012-05-26 10:09 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-26 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fran-fic.livejournal.com
Hmmm.. tricky... Are we talking only penetrative sex, or...?

I'm not much of pain fan myself (my own pain that is, regardless of all the piercings I've done) and usually don't find any part of it pleasurable, other than when it stops :-D

But I think I can imagine that there are sensations where it's actually hard to tell if it is pleasurable or painful, and that's usually what I think about when I hear the phrase pleasure/pain, I guess.

I can also imagine that there are painful sensations that consists of many other things too, at the same time, such as a sensation of heat and/or pressure or impact and so on, and if the area dulls after a while and the pain-part then lessens, then I can imagine that the other sensations are heightened and might be percieved as pleasurable...?

I guess you could also get an endorphine high out of some forms of controlled pain, which at a certain stage and in combination with sex with a partner you like and trust can then be percieved as pleasurable as well.

Don't know if all that made sense??

I doubt though that if someone are jumped and raped, for example, that any pain will turn into pleasure any time soon... Is that the fictional context??

Date: 2012-05-26 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
Are we talking only penetrative sex

Yes. I meant the phrase authors use to describe the moments after initial penetration. Two words where so much more could be written. It's a cop out IMO.

And yes, your thoughts made sense.

Date: 2012-05-26 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fran-fic.livejournal.com
Yeah, I guess it could be a cop out, because, as I said above, it could probably mean a lot of different things, so if they only write that it could be hard to know what they actually mean.

Date: 2012-05-26 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntbijou.livejournal.com
I've always felt that when a writer retreats to the "pleasure/pain" fallback, it's because they haven't personally experienced it themselves, and thus have no clue how to describe it. That they're writing outside their own comfort zone or experience, and are speculating what it might be like, but afraid to be wrong, so... they back off and say "the moment when pain turned to pleasure," thinking that'll cover all the bases.

Because really, unless you have experienced it, you practically have no way to describe it. "Then it happened, the moment when the burning sensation faded, the tension in his muscles eased, and the fullness became something to be relished, rather than tolerated. He opened his eyes and saw John smiling at him, and it finally clicked. It was John inside him, it was John's hands on his hips, it was John's cock filling him, and it was suddenly worth it. He moaned suddenly, the friction becoming enjoyable, his body relaxing, and John leaned down to kiss him. He changed the angle of his hips, and Rodney found himself yelping into that wonderful mouth when John's cock hit something, something that sent a shock up his spine, and he could only gasp, "Do that again! Fuck, do that again now!!" while John laughed and did it again, and again, and again."

Dear gods, do you realize, that's the first bit of drabbly writing I've done in AGES???

Date: 2012-05-27 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
writing outside their own comfort zone or experience, and are speculating what it might be like, but afraid to be wrong

Most likely, but a little research wouldn't hurt.

Dear gods, do you realize, that's the first bit of drabbly writing I've done in AGES???

*pats you on the back* That was fabulous without any of that tab A into slot B business. I think you should add more to it.

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