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Please note the header: IMO.

I can't help but wonder if JKR's announcement regarding Dumbledore was no more than a well timed publicity stunt designed to give her more kudos with adult readers and audiences, along with a slice of the 'pink' pound/dollar/yen/rupee etc.

Date: 2007-10-20 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
It was apparent--the faggocity of Dumbley--by Deathly Hallows, especially with some of Rita's comments.

I think Rowling (or her publishers) just knew that sales would probably drop by 15 or 20% if it was formally announced/addressed prior.

Now, she could admit to whatever she wants because the story's told, the billions made, and fuck-all who boycotts.

only WB would have any stake in worrying about it, and they would hardly care about such matters.

i actually am surprised this hasn't caused a huge uproar.

i've been off-site for about a week, tho... is this now-news, or 3-days-ago news?

Date: 2007-10-20 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesheta-66.livejournal.com
Those were my thoughts too. Now she's made her $$ on the last book, to hell with the critics. She can say whatever she wants. Besides, any losses based on the possible lower movie attendance ... really, how much more money does she need anyway? Her glory as an author comes from the books.

And yeah ... it sure had the undertones in DH anyway. Not subtext - more blatant than that to me.

I'm wondering how many book burning sessions will follow.

Date: 2007-10-20 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
And yeah ... it sure had the undertones in DH anyway. Not subtext - more blatant than that to me.

yeah, you're right—way more blatant... like... KyleXY-seasonOne blatant... I just wonder, for all the slashers who are like 'it's not canon unless it's in the book' are suddenly gonna make an 'exception' for this instance, since it's something most slasher would actually like.


I'm wondering how many book burning sessions will follow.


:lol:

Date: 2007-10-20 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
I'm wondering how many book burning sessions will follow.

You think? I can't imagine that happening where I live, although I'm sure some copies woud promptly find themselves in the bin. I have several muslim children in my class who adore Harry Potter. Now, because homosexuality is a sin in Islam, will their parents feel inclined to ban the books if they knew what JKR has said? *ponders*

Date: 2007-10-21 10:36 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flamewarrior.livejournal.com
JKR has been very careful, IMO, to hedge her bets by strongly implying that Dumbledore never had sex. His love for Grindelwald was unrequited, and she could be read as saying, over the Kloves script, 'Dumbledore didn't have romances, he was gay!'

It's the act of sex between men that's considered sinful in the more orthodox versions of all the Abrahamic religions, not the desire for it.

Date: 2007-10-21 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
Poor Dumbledore. What a long and empty life he must've led.

Date: 2007-10-20 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
is this now-news, or 3-days-ago news

Dunno. I only saw it this morning when I logged on.

It was apparent--the faggocity of Dumbley--by Deathly Hallows, especially with some of Rita's comments.

I missed that. Then again, I did scan over the Dumbledore chunks. I'll pay more attention next time. It's not that long ago, on a UK chat show, that JKR referred to slash fanfic as "Those funny (as in peculiar) stories." When someone in the audience shouted out "Remus and Sirius" she replied, "Yes. Those are the ones."

Date: 2007-10-20 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruffians.livejournal.com
My friend was over last night when all the news came out, and he hates Potter but says the same thing. I didn't want to admit it, but I kind of agree.

Date: 2007-10-20 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] le-negronomicon.livejournal.com
she doesn't NEED more 'adult readers'


nor does she need more money, in pink dollars, black dollars, greenback dollars, or alien dollars... so, how anyone can see this as a publicity stunt, when it could hurt sales more than help it, is beyond me.

no fag i know is suddenly goign off to buy harry potter books if they haven't already just because one of the dead dude's been outted by the writer, especially when there's only a hint of a relationship, and that's in flashback.

i think people are just really burnt out on the HP thing, even the fans, and are willing to think the worst.

Date: 2007-10-20 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
but it's got folks talking about the books again hasn't it? Put the series temporarily back into the limelight.

Date: 2007-10-20 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
Considering she's decried slash fanfic in the past, it's the only logical conclusion I can come up with.

Date: 2007-10-20 05:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] megyal
lol, pink dollar or not, I was like "Damn, Dumbledore and Grindelwald were totally at it."

Date: 2007-10-20 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
Think of the angst fic that will flood that canoe ship now: Dumbledore had to kill the man he loved!

Date: 2007-10-20 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joesther.livejournal.com
This sort of thing always lends itself to the "if it's not written in canon, it's not really canon," argument. Yeah, so JKR said it. OK. But she could have decided that he was gay after the fact, too (as long as nothing in canon contradicted it, and lucky for her in this case nothing did). So does the date of her decision of a fact as canon-truth have an effect on whether we should accept it as true?

Was it a publicity stunt? I don't know. What I do know is that canon, for me (and probably for a lot of other people), is what is written in the books. Not interviews (particularly not now that the series is done) and definitely not the films. There is the argument that if something was important/relevant enough to make it into an interview, it should have made it into the books (yet another reason I wanted a real epilogue - this kind of detail would have fit beautifully there). But throwing us this kind of fact months after the end of the books - I don't get the reasoning, other than what you said. Particularly since people have been writing (and seeing the pairing of) DD/GW for a while now.

Date: 2007-10-20 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
if something was important/relevant enough to make it into an interview, it should have made it into the books

I would concur with that line of thought, and the rest of your comment.

people have been writing (and seeing the pairing of) DD/GW for a while now

Whilst JKR has been tolerant of fanfiction in general, she has always abhored slash. Maybe DD's love of GW was unrequited and therefore of a 'purer' type than the physical manifestation of love, i.e. when one character has his cock up the arse of another.

Date: 2007-10-20 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] romaine24.livejournal.com
I didn't see it as a publicity stunt given that she was asked quite a few questions about other characters and their love interests. I don't think it was important to the story, so it didn't have to be there. I believe what she was sharing was how she imagined Dumbledore when writing the story. Whenever we write a story we have images and background characteristics of those we write about. It doesn't all make it into the story, but it makes a difference in how we write the character. So in that way I think what she said was important, even thought it is secondary canon, or maybe not even canon at all depending on your view, she was just sharing what she had envisioned. IMHO :)

Date: 2007-10-20 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
I didn't see it as a publicity stunt given that she was asked quite a few questions about other characters and their love interests. I don't think it was important to the story, so it didn't have to be there.


both of these are good points.

Date: 2007-10-20 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
True. Oh god, I've just had a thought: will this open the doors to a DD/GW prequel series? The angst, the drama, the sacifice. I can see it now.

Date: 2007-10-21 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
oh, that'd be awesome actually!

now, there's three potential prequel eras! Founders, Dumblewald, and WMPP!

Date: 2007-10-21 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
I'd like to read a FF that dealt with the settng up of Hogwarts and the split from the Muggle world.

Date: 2007-10-21 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
definitely. too few fics out there that deal with inter-relations or the socio-political climates...

oh, hey.. you should do that. ;)

yeah. i have spoken!

Date: 2007-10-21 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
I know a fair bit about pre Norman Conquest Britain, but a fic wouldn't be this side of Easter. I need to get other half finished things done. So... maybe.

Date: 2007-10-21 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
I need to get other half finished things done.

I feel your pain, sista... I feel your pain.

Date: 2007-10-20 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
I would like to say that I'm one of those if it's not in the books, it's not canon types, but that would contradict my negative feelings toward the epilogue.

I believe what she was sharing was how she imagined Dumbledore when writing the story

Maybe she was, but she has always abhored slash fanfic, so this revealing fact about a key player in her series came out of left field for me.

Date: 2007-10-21 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com
i don't think she hated slashfic. i think she hated questionable material...

also, that MUGGLENET interview that most people get this information from, she was talking about the romantification (not a word... yet) of Draco and the greater problem that she sees girls having ... but i don't recall her specifically saying she didn't like slash.

Date: 2007-10-21 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
It was on a UK chat show around the time HBP was released.

Date: 2007-10-21 10:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flamewarrior.livejournal.com
I don't think it was important to the story

But as others have pointed out (I didn't twig it for myself), it was important to the story. Without that knowledge, what we have in Dumbledore is a man who acts the way he does because of a poor choice in friends as a youth that leads to the death of his sister.

With that knowledge, what we have in Dumbledore is a man who acts the way he does because of an unrequited love that over-rode everything else, leading to the death of his sister. As character motivations go, those two are very, very different, IMO. But then, JKR's never really been about characters, but about where she needed the story/plot to go.

Date: 2007-10-21 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
a man who acts the way he does because of an unrequited love that over-rode everything else, leading to the death of his sister.

And therein lies a tragedy that haunted him for the rest of his life. Very good point.

Date: 2007-10-21 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silentauror.livejournal.com
IMO, I quite agree. I also think that she's the biggest publicity whore that ever whored. Just sharing. :P

Date: 2007-10-21 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
Thanks for sharing, my dear.

When you've got a moment you need to skip back a post for some very special news and a piccy.

Date: 2007-10-22 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silentauror.livejournal.com
Oh wow!! That is so cool!! Congrats! (By proxy? Whatever!) That's really very neat! ♥

Date: 2007-10-22 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
When he first told us he was going to meet the Queen, we were all 0.0 because it's not something we ever expected to happen to a member of our family. *still beaming*

Date: 2007-10-21 10:43 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flamewarrior.livejournal.com
Well, given the negative reactions I've seen from most of the lesbian and gay folk on my flist, I think she's lost much of the pink pound power she may have had.

Date: 2007-10-21 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlite-tryst.livejournal.com
Hmmm. I did see a comment somewhere that DD was the good kind of gay: dead and in hindsight.

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